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Graydon
02-12-2008, 10:06 AM
We had this discussion a while back... most of you were clinging to the conventional wisdom that light wheels are faster, despite my attempts to prove using first principles this wasn't necessarily true. Here is something interesting I came across on Velonews (article here: http://www.velonews.com/article/71788).

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A close-up of an Active Spoke mass



Active Spoke Mass Wheels (By Lennard Zinn)

As the wheel’s rotational velocity increases, the weights are thrown to the outside of the wheel, effectively concentrating more mass out at the rim. And as the wheel slows down, the springs retract the weights back toward the center, effectively decreasing the rim mass. Inventor Russell Kalil originally came up with the idea while riding an interval workout on a stationary bicycle with a heavy flywheel.

“I thought it would be great to harness the momentum produced by a wheel with heavy rim weight, but with the advantages of a lightweight rim wheel during a hill climb,” says Kalil. “It’s like a figure skater doing a spin with their arms out; when they pull their arms back in, their spinning rate increases.”

He first utilized long, hollow fishing weights connected to rubber bands on his spokes. Now, the system is quite elegant, incorporating thread-together modular weights with a slot in them so that adjacent segments causes the slots to be offset and lock the weights onto the spoke.

I got a set to try, and the amazing thing is how strong the springs are. Two spring rates are available; there are springs for normal folk and then there are “professional” springs, which are much stiffer. The wheel must be spinning much faster for the same mass to move out to the rim with the stiffer spring, and you can tune the system to your preference not only with stiffer or less stiff springs, but also with different stacks of masses, as they thread together.

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Eight Active Spokes on a wheel

The angular momentum of each mass about the hub increases 16 fold as the radius to the mass increases from 3 inches to 12 inches. The idea is similar to what Ondrej Sosenka was thinking when he set the world hour record on a 10-pound rear wheel – the wheel’s high angular momentum maintains speed better, except that Active Spokes are not as hard to accelerate once you slow down, since the masses are concentrated near the hub. Active Spokes aid you in going downhill faster and carrying your momentum up the next hill.

Pro rider Dirk Friel has tested them a lot and has set his personal best in the Wednesday Boulder time trial series with them. He correlates his frequent 5-mile test runs north of town with data on wind speed, direction, and barometric pressure from a nearby weather station and says that, once he has corrected for the wind, he is consistently faster on a rolling course with Active Spokes.

Chris Helwig
02-12-2008, 10:44 AM
Remind me, what wheels will you be riding at the hilly provincials course in Elliot Lake? :eek:

Graydon
02-12-2008, 11:03 AM
Remind me, what wheels will you be riding at the hilly provincials course in Elliot Lake? :eek:

I think that is an irrelevant question considering the article talks about time trialing. (I think it would also apply to triathlon on a rolling course.) If you could put these fishing sinkers on a set of aero wheels like 808, now that would be something if long steady outputs are your thing.

Chris Helwig
02-12-2008, 11:18 AM
Fair enough, but you should revise the title of the thread to "Heavier Wheels ARE Faster for Time Trials.

Never Discount the Placebo Effect when it comes to riding faster. If Dirk thinks these Wheel Weights make him faster and he believes in them that has an effect.

Chris Helwig
02-12-2008, 11:23 AM
When we had this discussion last year Ryan Phelps used the argument that the top two finishers at Niagara Classic were using "regular" 32 spoke wheels. This was interesting, I saw they had regular spoked wheels and not fancy Carbon wheels.

Turns out talking to Ryan that they had super tricked out lightweight 32 spoke wheels with revolution spokes, light nipples, light rims etc. A tricked out 32 spoke wheel can be made to be pretty darn light.

Graydon
02-12-2008, 11:23 AM
Fair enough, but you should revise the title of the thread to "Heavier Wheels ARE Faster for Time Trials.

More people will read this thread if I leave "time trial" out of the title :)

Bermuda
02-12-2008, 11:57 AM
I am pretty sure the fact that they were 'tricked out' 32h wheels had little to do with the top 2 guys.

Big engines is where its at!

Chris Helwig
02-12-2008, 12:29 PM
I am pretty sure the fact that they were 'tricked out' 32h wheels had little to do with the top 2 guys.

Big engines is where its at!

haha, yes obviously you need the engine, doesn't matter how tricked out your wheels are. I have 4 days until camp, how much bigger do you think I can make my engine to try to keep up to Vince on the climbs down south :)

Bermuda
02-15-2008, 11:39 AM
Engine is plenty big Chris! Just need to take some cargo out of the trunk and drop the kids off!